In this episode, Dr. C is joined by Dr. David Hawkins of Seattle, Washington, who discusses his work with men and women trying to heal from narcissistic abuse.  Dr. Hawkins gives his seasoned opinions about what is necessary for the narcissist to change and how the partner can also find hope.  He zeroes in specifically on three primary components of the narcissistic pattern that have to change.  This interview features two therapists who have much in common as they share words of healing and encouragement.

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